Anyone here learning a language?

For discussion of non-Wonderland topics - please read rules!

Moderators: jdl, ~xpr'd~, tyteen4a03, Emerald141, Qloof234, Stinky

Post Reply
User avatar
finch
Silver Wonderlander
Posts: 28
Joined: Sun Jun 14, 2015 12:18 pm

Anyone here learning a language?

Post by finch » Mon Jun 22, 2015 5:40 pm

I have that in the signature. Try to guess what I'm learning!

Turkish, German, Esperanto, Swedish
Last edited by finch on Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:14 am, edited 2 times in total.
You want cake? Too bad, it's illegal.
User avatar
DerpzSpycrab
Gold Wonderlander
Posts: 68
Joined: Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:00 am

Post by DerpzSpycrab » Mon Jun 22, 2015 6:39 pm

Is it German? Or Dutch (If Dutch is even a language)?
User avatar
loofisawesome
Rainbow Wizard
Posts: 410
Joined: Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:05 pm

Post by loofisawesome » Mon Jun 22, 2015 6:56 pm

I am learning Italian!
But I really don't do it anymore.
You posed dramatically.
User avatar
~xpr'd~
Rainbow Star
Posts: 1357
Joined: Tue May 12, 2009 9:43 pm
Location: New York
Contact:

Post by ~xpr'd~ » Mon Jun 22, 2015 7:01 pm

I'm learning Mandarin Chinese and plan to start learning Danish/Norwegian. I learned Spanish a few years back but didn't really like it.
I'm kind of learning Japanese; I know the syllabaries and some basic vocab in them, and from learning Chinese I can understand some Kanji too. I can't speak any Japanese, though, and that's a whole other thing anyways.
Last edited by ~xpr'd~ on Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:28 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Image
she/her | Sayori#2285
garirry
Rainbow Star
Posts: 1642
Joined: Sat Mar 21, 2009 6:18 pm
Location: Canada
Contact:

Post by garirry » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:07 pm

Currently learning Hebrew, started slowly learning Japanese, and I might learn German eventually too.
User avatar
loofisawesome
Rainbow Wizard
Posts: 410
Joined: Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:05 pm

Post by loofisawesome » Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:26 pm

There's actually an app called Duolinguo that helps you learn languages.
You posed dramatically.
garirry
Rainbow Star
Posts: 1642
Joined: Sat Mar 21, 2009 6:18 pm
Location: Canada
Contact:

Post by garirry » Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:27 pm

loofisawesome wrote:There's actually an app called Duolinguo that helps you learn languages.
It's all about motivation, no program will make you learn languages so easily. I'll still check this though, eventually.

EDIT: I've tried learning a bit of german on there, seems like it's a very proper way to learn. Sad though that there aren't other non-latin languages like Japanese.
User avatar
StinkerSquad01
Rainbow AllStar
Posts: 4237
Joined: Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:39 am

Post by StinkerSquad01 » Tue Jun 23, 2015 2:26 am

Ich kann auch ein bisschen Deutsch sprechen. Ich war in mein Deutschklasse nur ein Jahr, aber ich glaube, ich bin nicht zu schlecht.
garirry wrote:
loofisawesome wrote:There's actually an app called Duolinguo that helps you learn languages.
It's all about motivation, no program will make you learn languages so easily. I'll still check this though, eventually.

EDIT: I've tried learning a bit of german on there, seems like it's a very proper way to learn. Sad though that there aren't other non-latin languages like Japanese.
That's kind of how learning works though. You still have to put in effort if you use programs or not. Also, Memrise has Japanese courses.
@minimus#2048
message me on discord, won't you?
User avatar
Jutomi
Rainbow MegaStar
Posts: 3492
Joined: Tue Oct 15, 2013 8:42 pm

Norsk

Post by Jutomi » Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:04 am

Ich spreche fast kein Deutsch. :P

Jeg forstår lite Norsk,
but very little and I'm still learning that alone after a year. :lol:
Your only little stinker that's absolutely NOT a z-bot by this name,
Jutomi~ :mrgreen:

Also, if you want to see my level list, here it is! :D
User avatar
samuelthx
Rainbow Master
Posts: 677
Joined: Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:44 am

Post by samuelthx » Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:17 am

Für vier Jahre habe ich Deutsch gelernt, aber nicht mehr. Deshalb habe ich viel vergessen. Wenn ich die Deutschen hören, kann ich nicht immer sie verstehen, weil sie zu schnell sprechen! :P A few of them speak in thick accents which makes it really difficult to understand them when they speak fast! :lol:

German is an easy language to pick up, especially for English speakers, but a hard one to master. One of the reasons why I chose not to continue was due to the need to write argumentative essays in German for A-Levels *shudders*

我从小就开始学华文了。I am much more familiar with Chinese than German (it takes me less time to verbalise a coherent sentence), but I hate sitting for Chinese exams because I don't do that well, and it doesn't help that the papers are relatively difficult! Thank God I'm free from Chinese now as well!

Good luck to those learning Chinese here! You'll need it. :lol: Also, Japanese may at first glance seem like Chinese, but then you realise that they are completely different! There's hiragana, for one, and also, many kanji don't share the same meaning as their Chinese counterparts. For example, 大丈夫 in Japanese means "All right", i.e. 大丈夫? means Are you okay?, but in Chinese, it means "Real Man", or literally, "big husband"! :lol: :lol: :lol:
User avatar
finch
Silver Wonderlander
Posts: 28
Joined: Sun Jun 14, 2015 12:18 pm

Post by finch » Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:03 am

garirry wrote:
loofisawesome wrote:There's actually an app called Duolinguo that helps you learn languages.
It's all about motivation, no program will make you learn languages so easily. I'll still check this though, eventually.

EDIT: I've tried learning a bit of german on there, seems like it's a very proper way to learn. Sad though that there aren't other non-latin languages like Japanese.
There are some Cyrillic languages, and they are working on Yiddish, Hebrew and Hindi.
You want cake? Too bad, it's illegal.
User avatar
Blast!10
Rainbow Star
Posts: 1732
Joined: Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:26 pm
Location: Tel Aviv

Post by Blast!10 » Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:59 am

My native tongues are English and Hebrew. I've studied French, Persian, Arabic and Brazilian Portuguese, and have recently started Finnish and Hungarian.

I also learned some Malay and Zulu in the past, but unfortunately I forgot everything. :oops:

Just wondering since we're already on the topic of languages – is anyone here interested in language construction?
User avatar
Jutomi
Rainbow MegaStar
Posts: 3492
Joined: Tue Oct 15, 2013 8:42 pm

Construction

Post by Jutomi » Tue Jun 23, 2015 2:53 pm

Oh, I am! :mrgreen:

I created a language when I was 11...
kind of stopped on it, then picked up again when I was...

14 maybe?

I was sure I'd be fine with 36 letters,
but even up until last week I made the count 75. :lol:

There are also, like, 2k words in it, so... :P

I could actually type it out fluently, if I were able to use its alphabet. :?

Unfortunately, since that's not really possible, I have to make ELE(English-Latin Entogan) and SLE (Singular-Latin Entogan) forms.

Deeman's also pretty into language construction;
they've made a couple of them from what I could tell. ;)

And, I must say, it's a lot easier for me to make a language than learn another one...

May seem like more work, but at least I get to know what I'm doing,
plus my interest in it doesn't plummit. :lol:
Last edited by Jutomi on Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:04 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Your only little stinker that's absolutely NOT a z-bot by this name,
Jutomi~ :mrgreen:

Also, if you want to see my level list, here it is! :D
User avatar
Master Wonder Mage
Rainbow SuperStar
Posts: 2123
Joined: Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:26 pm

Post by Master Wonder Mage » Tue Jun 23, 2015 2:56 pm

I know a fair amount of Latin, although I've finished the Latin courses my school offers, so I'm not really *learning* any languages at the moment.
garirry
Rainbow Star
Posts: 1642
Joined: Sat Mar 21, 2009 6:18 pm
Location: Canada
Contact:

Post by garirry » Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:13 pm

samuelthx wrote:Also, Japanese may at first glance seem like Chinese, but then you realise that they are completely different! There's hiragana, for one, and also, many kanji don't share the same meaning as their Chinese counterparts. For example, 大丈夫 in Japanese means "All right", i.e. 大丈夫? means Are you okay?, but in Chinese, it means "Real Man", or literally, "big husband"! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Japanese is completely different language-base. There isn't a single similarity. Japan, however, imported the writing system from China, which eventually evolved into Hiragana and Katakana, and it has many chinese characters which were re-used in Japanese, although the pronunciation is completely different, and the meaning is sometimes different as well.

Oh, and, thanks SS01 for the link.
User avatar
DEEMAN223344
Rainbow MegaStar
Posts: 3145
Joined: Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:07 pm

Re: Construction

Post by DEEMAN223344 » Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:47 pm

Jutomi wrote:Deeman's also pretty into language construction;
they've made a couple of them from what I could tell. ;)
Yeah, I have. I think something like four now, at varying levels of "completeness".
Also, I've been learning French for a few years now.
User avatar
~xpr'd~
Rainbow Star
Posts: 1357
Joined: Tue May 12, 2009 9:43 pm
Location: New York
Contact:

Post by ~xpr'd~ » Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:28 pm

samuelthx wrote:Good luck to those learning Chinese here! You'll need it. :lol: Also, Japanese may at first glance seem like Chinese, but then you realise that they are completely different! There's hiragana, for one, and also, many kanji don't share the same meaning as their Chinese counterparts. For example, 大丈夫 in Japanese means "All right", i.e. 大丈夫? means Are you okay?, but in Chinese, it means "Real Man", or literally, "big husband"! :lol: :lol: :lol:
That is true, and for many words in Japanese it's the same thing, but there's a staggering number of similarities, and knowing the structure of Japanese makes it quite a lot easier to see from context whether or not it's similar to the Chinese word. For example, 原子力所 means "nuclear power plant" (lit. "place of origin of atom power") in both Japanese and Chinese; although it looks weird to write it as such in Chinese (meaning something closer to "the atom force location"), it's perfectly understandable in both languages. And plus, to know just 力 (power/force) and 所 ("the place" kind of) can help you understand it at a basic level.

Completely unrelated to that, I can't get most online/DIY language courses to work for me.
Duolingo was okay I guess, but it starts off by teaching you vocab immediately, not even stopping to teach you any differences in grammar, pronunciation, or pretty much any nuances of the language you're learning; it expects you to either already know all of that or just pick it up intuitively, neither of which I did, even after completing two levels of German. Not to mention that it needlessly gamifies everything; there was some sort of life system and leaderboards and I really didn't need that to learn a language.
Same with Rosetta Stone; for the Japanese course it does, it assumes you already know about its two syllabaries and what Kanji is and how to speak all of those correctly. The very first sentence it tried to teach me was "The boy drinks orange juice," in a combination of Hiragana and Kanji. I gave up very quickly, because at that time I didn't even know basic things such as the fact Japanese is SOV, so there was no way I'd be able to identify the verb in a sentence.
The only language course that really worked for me was Lingualift. I took the Japanese course for their 14-day free trial, and it started off correctly; it began by talking about how Japanese works and sounds and even a bit about Japanese culture. It let me move at my own pace and had countless resources I could use to learn with (an e-textbook, printout practice sheets, several different online practice modes, and a whole lot more). The way it teaches Hiragana and Katakana is that it will give you a new character to learn, you'll write it a few times on a sheet of paper to get the hang of it, and it'll ask you to pronounce, identify, or spell a few different words incorporating all the characters you know up to that point, and it really worked. Sadly, I never ended up paying for it, even though it was really cheap, and you could learn several different languages through them. And for the record, no, they didn't pay me to say that; I just really liked them.
Image
she/her | Sayori#2285
User avatar
StinkerSquad01
Rainbow AllStar
Posts: 4237
Joined: Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:39 am

Post by StinkerSquad01 » Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:07 pm

samuelthx wrote:Für vier Jahre habe ich Deutsch gelernt, aber nicht mehr. Deshalb habe ich viel vergessen. Wenn ich die Deutschen hören, kann ich nicht immer sie verstehen, weil sie zu schnell sprechen! :P A few of them speak in thick accents which makes it really difficult to understand them when they speak fast! :lol:

German is an easy language to pick up, especially for English speakers, but a hard one to master. One of the reasons why I chose not to continue was due to the need to write argumentative essays in German for A-Levels *shudders*
Yeah, German was pretty easy to learn, I was able to understand the general idea of what you just said. I'm not looking forward to writing papers in it though... I had to do that for a placement exam for a special high school I'm going to and it felt really awkward and forced.
@minimus#2048
message me on discord, won't you?
User avatar
samuelthx
Rainbow Master
Posts: 677
Joined: Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:44 am

Post by samuelthx » Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:07 pm

~xpr'd~ wrote:
samuelthx wrote:Good luck to those learning Chinese here! You'll need it. :lol: Also, Japanese may at first glance seem like Chinese, but then you realise that they are completely different! There's hiragana, for one, and also, many kanji don't share the same meaning as their Chinese counterparts. For example, 大丈夫 in Japanese means "All right", i.e. 大丈夫? means Are you okay?, but in Chinese, it means "Real Man", or literally, "big husband"! :lol: :lol: :lol:
That is true, and for many words in Japanese it's the same thing, but there's a staggering number of similarities, and knowing the structure of Japanese makes it quite a lot easier to see from context whether or not it's similar to the Chinese word. For example, 原子力所 means "nuclear power plant" (lit. "place of origin of atom power") in both Japanese and Chinese; although it looks weird to write it as such in Chinese (meaning something closer to "the atom force location"), it's perfectly understandable in both languages. And plus, to know just 力 (power/force) and 所 ("the place" kind of) can help you understand it at a basic level
Yep, I agree. I would have been quite lost in Japan if not for my Chinese knowledge. I was thinking of 出口, which means exit in both languages.

I have never taken an online course on learning a foreign language. I think going to a class with a teacher would be far more effective. That said, online courses are useful for languages like German, which bears great similarity to English, IMO.

For German, I've only ever written letters and picture compositions. I can't imagine writing a full-blown argumentative essay. Good luck!
User avatar
Jutomi
Rainbow MegaStar
Posts: 3492
Joined: Tue Oct 15, 2013 8:42 pm

Similarity

Post by Jutomi » Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:41 pm

That reminds me, I'm also learning English. :P

Yes, it's the one I was raised with,
but English is such an expansive language. :shock:
Your only little stinker that's absolutely NOT a z-bot by this name,
Jutomi~ :mrgreen:

Also, if you want to see my level list, here it is! :D
Post Reply