General Wonderland Question Thread

Caton · Post by **Caton** » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:19 pm

Wonderland was programed with Blitz3d right?
and MS other games were made with C++ right?
well C++ can do more then blitz3d can and can do more rendering
so why was wonderland with blitz3d, why just not use C++?

Qloof234 · Post by **Qloof234** » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:24 pm

Were they? I thought MS did all his PC games with Blitz3D.

Caton · Post by **Caton** » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:27 pm

http://www.blitzbasic.com/Community/pos ... 267#706314
Midnight Said this
Midnight=Midnight Synergy
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Games written in Blitz3D: Wonderland, Return To Wonderland Platinum, Secret Worlds, and Frazzled
Games written in C/C++: Intensity, ReCharge, Colony
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jdl · Post by **jdl** » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:30 pm

To avoid thread spamming regarding questions about Wonderland, I have renamed this thread. Please ask any Wonderland-related questions here instead of making new topics. This does not guarantee that Patrick will see or read this thread, but others may have some answers for you.
Thanks.

Muzozavr · Post by **Muzozavr** » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:33 pm

Well, what's easier to use: C/C++ or Blitz3D? Don't forget that Blitz already includes a lot of pre-written code that makes it much easier (in comparison to C) to do all kinds of graphical stuff.

Though you can use other libraries and/or engines.

Qloof234 · Post by **Qloof234** » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:37 pm

Caton wrote:http://www.blitzbasic.com/Community/pos ... 267#706314
Midnight Said this
Midnight=Midnight Synergy
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Games written in Blitz3D: Wonderland, Return To Wonderland Platinum, Secret Worlds, and Frazzled
Games written in C/C++: Intensity, ReCharge, Colony
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Hmm, I dunno then. Probably what Muzo said, Blitz might not be as powerful but it sounds as if it's easier to get started with.

tyteen4a03 · Post by **tyteen4a03** » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:04 am

Older games of MS's were in C++, yes.

garirry · Post by **garirry** » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:03 am

Why would you do a 2D game in a program called Blitz3D?

Also, keep in mind Blitz3D was released in 2001; one year prior to the release of Wonderland. Frazzled was released in 2003 by the way. Unfortunately, it's outdated today, so it seems like it will be another switch from one programming language to another in the next Wonderland games.

Caton · Post by **Caton** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 12:58 am

why aren't there any bosses in the wonderland games?

garirry · Post by **garirry** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 1:02 am

Caton wrote:why aren't there any bosses in the wonderland games?

Actually there are. The Fire Flower at the beginning of WA, the Ice Flower in Qwertyx, and Z-Bot Prime on POTZ. Maybe there are more that I missed, but I don't remember.

Also, to answer your question why are there little bosses, it's because it's a puzzle game. WA is more adapted for action, so there are a few bosses there.

Caton · Post by **Caton** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 1:53 am

I meant boss battles

garirry · Post by **garirry** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 1:54 am

That's exactly what I was talking about.

Caton · Post by **Caton** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 2:01 am

[end of question]
why doesn't wonderland have wonderland action cut scenes that are CGI?

garirry · Post by **garirry** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 2:04 am

Because it is very work-intensive and takes way too much time. Also, I'm pretty certain that the 3D cutscenes in WA count as CGI; they are 3D and they are generated by a computer.

Master Wonder Mage · Post by **Master Wonder Mage** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 4:47 am

garirry wrote:Because it is very work-intensive and takes way too much time. Also, I'm pretty certain that the 3D cutscenes in WA count as CGI; they are 3D and they are generated by a computer.

I'm pretty sure video games are counted CGI.

Well, unless you have some bizarre live action game. That would be weird.

Jutomi · Post by **Jutomi** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 5:23 am

Aw, you missed the thwarts under bosses.

I myself thought about making a boss for JA:HOTSP,
but I think what I'm going to do is keep any ideas for
a tennis, in case it comes down to it.

Caton · Post by **Caton** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 1:09 am

why isn't there an wonderland cartoon?

garirry · Post by **garirry** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 1:15 am

Master Wonder Mage wrote:Well, unless you have some bizarre live action game. That would be weird.

I can't imagine this without laughing!

Caton wrote:why isn't there an wonderland cartoon?

Caton, Muzozavr and others told you why in the "how cool would it be" topic. MS doesn't have the funds, time, nor wish to do it, and no one on the forum has time and knowledge to do it.

Caton · Post by **Caton** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:32 am

it would be easier if midnight synergy had a team. wouldn't it?

Wonderland King · Post by **Wonderland King** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:34 am

Crowd sourcing does the trick for when he needs the help. Besides, a lot of us think (correct me if I'm wrong) that running MS is more of a side business for Patrick.

Jutomi · Post by **Jutomi** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:38 am

Well, yes and no...

With a team, it'd help significantly with the programming speed and efficiency,
but disagreements on ideas, concepts, looks, and workings as well as
cooperation and any money you'd have to pay would potentially offset it.

I suppose it really just depends on who one'd be doing it with
uand how it'd work out in the end amongst them.

garirry · Post by **garirry** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:42 am

Wonderland King wrote:Crowd sourcing does the trick for when he needs the help. Besides, a lot of us think (correct me if I'm wrong) that running MS is more of a side business for Patrick.

It's most likely a side business made for fun. If he was living off his company, he would have made advertisements and would make a game possibly every year and they would be more expensive.

Caton wrote:it would be easier if midnight synergy had a team. wouldn't it?

MS has a team, except it is very small. If I remember correctly, there was about three people other than himself and us, the community. Believe it or not, indie games are 99% of the time made with better quality and is held up together much better than large companies' games because it's only one person who knows what he's doing (hopefully).

Caton · Post by **Caton** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 5:53 am

if MS haves a team then why won't he allow anyone else?

garirry · Post by **garirry** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 1:06 pm

Because he apparently doesn't need so. If he needs to have another member, then he will hire/invite them.

Caton · Post by **Caton** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 11:09 pm

if ms made a wonderland cartoon would it ever be on cartoon network?

garirry · Post by **garirry** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 11:12 pm

Okay Caton, enough with the questions. I already answered you saying that MS would never make a cartoon, as well as everyone in the previous topic. I repeat, MS WILL NOT MAKE A WONDERLAND CARTOON because he doesn't have the money, time, knowledge, nor even the wish to do it. No one on the forum can do this as well.

Muzozavr · Post by **Muzozavr** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 11:28 pm

But if MS would, (which, of course, will not happen) would it THEN be on Cartoon Network?

Answer: no, it probably wouldn't, at least, not at first. Wonderland isn't a big "star" franchise that is recognizable enough to get a Cartoon Network show.

That, and it would be pretty hard to get the audiences to swallow the concept of an entire kind of creatures being called "stinkers".

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And garirry, I know it can get annoying, but, generally, the situation gradually gets out of hand not when Caton constantly asks the same questions, but when someone gets overly angry trying to stop that. I'm not saying you were too angry this particular time, just... be careful.

Qloof234 · Post by **Qloof234** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:22 pm

I've split everything about the CGI discussion over to the Off-Topic forum, to hopefully keep this thread a bit more focused.

Caton · Post by **Caton** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:48 am

why did ms change the wa1 format?
like wa2\wa3 haves adjustments names in the wlv files but wa1 there were no adjustments names.
It doesn't really make a different so why did he add the adjustments names to the format? was it to protect the wa1 wlv files?

jdl · Post by **jdl** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 12:45 pm

When using command 7 to teleport in WA1, you had to use negative wlv numbers.. Maybe it has something to do with that?

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