What happened to the Thwarts?

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What happened to the Thwarts?

Post by gottfriedjacob5 » Sun Mar 22, 2020 1:14 pm

I finished 100 percenting POTZ and i noticed something odd. I am sure you know about the victory tour levels that you unlock after beating the game, in which you go to multiple locations where characters congratulate you on saving the universe from the Z-Bots. There are five of these levels if i remember the correctly and the first three are normal, you go to Wonderland, Fire Island and Sundog Island where you are thanked by Stinkers, Kabooms and the Ice Trolls respectively. The final two levels are quite odd, but the fourth one is the one i am talking about. You appear in the thwarts cave and all that is there is a sign. The sign tells you the the Thwarts had "issues" to deal with and leave you a star. What i want to know is what these issues are. My theory is that because you just destroyed the Void, the Thwarts are now displaced and are planning to get revenge on the Stinkers. Does anyone else of other ideas.
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Re: What happened to the Thwarts?

Post by garirry » Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:38 pm

Revenge? What for? It's heavily implied in the ending of WA1 that the Thwarts learned from their mistakes and likely integrated with the stinkers. I don't think the Thwarts even lived in the Void anymore. And I don't recall the Void being destroyed, although I may be misremembering the story a bit. The "issues" could be anything, but I don't think revenge particularly makes sense.
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Re: What happened to the Thwarts?

Post by gottfriedjacob5 » Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:48 pm

If you do not remember, in POTZ we learn that Z-Bot Prime (The leader of the Z-Bots) found the void crystal, which teared a rip in spacetime, and allowed the void to make it's way into the universe. At the end of the game, we destroy the void crystal and the void itself. Oddly enough, after the ending cutscene of WA, the Thwarts are never seen again in any of the games.

Albeit, the void is inconsistent in it's nature throught the game. In Secret Worlds, the void is a storm system which swept the wee stinkers away. In WA, the void is a location on the other side of wonderland. And in POTZ, the void is some sort of cosmic dark matter.
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Re: What happened to the Thwarts?

Post by Aryan » Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:49 am

I too don't think thwarts want to take a revenge on stinkers. In the game it is said that they helped in placing the Star Ship in WonderTown Park. It may be anything... I am devoid of ideas! :oops:

Anyways there are a few more unanswered questions as well:
1. Once you defeat the Z-Bots and go back to Star Summit, Hawking tells that Wysp has found a strange new world. What could be that strange world?
2. Twinkle said Kepler is solving a mystery in Barren. But in Barren you never meet Kepler. There are lots of assumptions of this mystery. I think it could be "Blue Flower" or how to get into stone structures.

There may be more but I am able to remember only there two!
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Albeit, the void is inconsistent in it's nature throught the game. In Secret Worlds, the void is a storm system which swept the wee stinkers away. In WA, the void is a location on the other side of wonderland. And in POTZ, the void is some sort of cosmic dark matter.
Hmm... no idea although I see MS tried his best to fit WSW map in WA1, e.g Forever Forest is in east of Creepy Keep in WSW, WA1 and also WA3. WonderFalls is also mentioned in WSW, south of Forever Forest! The Void is also on other side of Wonderland in WSW except its a storm system there in WSW and in WA1 place where thwarts lived.

Also where do you think Thwart Cave is located in Wonderland? I don't know if this is mentioned in POTZ or not.
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Re: What happened to the Thwarts?

Post by rainbowmon » Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:50 am

Headcanon: The Void isn't a location in Wonderland, but rather am entire dimension in and of itself. The area east of the Wasteland is actually a scar from ancient times, acting as a permanent link between the two dimensions.

(Don't even get me started on my crazy daydreams beyond that...)
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Re: What happened to the Thwarts?

Post by gottfriedjacob5 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:05 pm

How did you learn that the void was a scar. Did they say that in the game and i missed it?
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Re: What happened to the Thwarts?

Post by rainbowmon » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:24 pm

Keyword: "Headcanon" (or, alternatively, "crazy daydreams").

In other words, the game doesn't say it; rather, it's my own personal theory. That being said: My crazy daydreams are so massive they effectively have their own canon, and Wonderland is just a part of them, so... In any case, I don't think it's described how it came into existence at any point in-game.
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Re: What happened to the Thwarts?

Post by gottfriedjacob5 » Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:43 pm

One of the only thing i do not like about POTZ, is that despite likely being the last Wonderland game ever made, the game creates so many unanswered questions about the aftermath of the Z-Bots defeat. We will sadly likely never know.
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Re: What happened to the Thwarts?

Post by rainbowmon » Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:23 pm

Perhaps MS wanted to do more but ultimately was unable to? In any case, I'm sure the community is more than capable of continuing the story if they want to...
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Re: What happened to the Thwarts?

Post by gottfriedjacob5 » Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:31 pm

Anyway, POTZ was still an amazing end for the Wonderland series. I actually just got to the true end of the game about a month ago.
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Post by rainbowmon » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:31 pm

Meanwhile I'm *STILL* clueless about how to get anywhere in the super-secret Secret Worlds ending, and honestly, I don't think I'm up to the task of ever getting it. Which is a shame, considering we're all forbidden to get hints to it... All we can really do is mention its existence.

(If you don't know what I'm talking about, stick around in WSW's credits after getting 100%.)
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Re: What happened to the Thwarts?

Post by gottfriedjacob5 » Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:32 am

I am still trying to get there right now. I would say i have gotten all the bonus coins in about half the levels.
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Re: What happened to the Thwarts?

Post by gottfriedjacob5 » Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:28 pm

I have heard that the secret is outside the game itself, and on some web page.
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Re: What happened to the Thwarts?

Post by rainbowmon » Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:44 pm

Yep. It gives you the URL during the credits if you've 100%ed the game.

Unfortunately, it's not the kind of puzzle I'm good at solving. Like, at all. I don't even have the faintest clue of what I'm supposed to do...

In any case, good luck if and when you get to it.
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Re: What happened to the Thwarts?

Post by gottfriedjacob5 » Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:44 pm

Good luck, i just finished "The Archipelago"
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Re: What happened to the Thwarts?

Post by Wonderman109 » Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:41 pm

rainbowmon wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:50 am
Headcanon: The Void isn't a location in Wonderland, but rather am entire dimension in and of itself. The area east of the Wasteland is actually a scar from ancient times, acting as a permanent link between the two dimensions.

(Don't even get me started on my crazy daydreams beyond that...)
This sounds about right. So destroying the void crystal removed the Thwarts' former home, so maybe now they are finding a new home or rebuilding the land upon which it had replaced with the portal between dimensions.

Nothing is crazy in a magic-based fantasy setting, and Wonderland is very magical. :mrgreen:
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Re: What happened to the Thwarts?

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gottfriedjacob5 wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 1:14 pm
I finished 100 percenting POTZ and i noticed something odd. I am sure you know about the victory tour levels that you unlock after beating the game, in which you go to multiple locations where characters congratulate you on saving the universe from the Z-Bots. There are five of these levels if i remember the correctly and the first three are normal, you go to Wonderland, Fire Island and Sundog Island where you are thanked by Stinkers, Kabooms and the Ice Trolls respectively. The final two levels are quite odd, but the fourth one is the one i am talking about. You appear in the thwarts cave and all that is there is a sign. The sign tells you the the Thwarts had "issues" to deal with and leave you a star. What i want to know is what these issues are. My theory is that because you just destroyed the Void, the Thwarts are now displaced and are planning to get revenge on the Stinkers. Does anyone else of other ideas.
If I might ask, what was the fifth level and why do you think it was odd?
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Re: What happened to the Thwarts?

Post by gottfriedjacob5 » Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:52 pm

The Z-bot one where the Z-bot tells you that the cycle has restarted And you are in a pitch black room in deep space
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Re: What happened to the Thwarts?

Post by gottfriedjacob5 » Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:00 pm

The 5th level is called Victory Tour: Deep Space, and it is located right before the area with the tube to star town
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Re: What happened to the Thwarts?

Post by rainbowmon » Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:54 pm

Wonderman109 wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:41 pm
rainbowmon wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:50 am
Headcanon: The Void isn't a location in Wonderland, but rather am entire dimension in and of itself. The area east of the Wasteland is actually a scar from ancient times, acting as a permanent link between the two dimensions.

(Don't even get me started on my crazy daydreams beyond that...)
This sounds about right. So destroying the void crystal removed the Thwarts' former home, so maybe now they are finding a new home or rebuilding the land upon which it had replaced with the portal between dimensions.

Nothing is crazy in a magic-based fantasy setting, and Wonderland is very magical. :mrgreen:
Oh, but you don't even know the half of my crazy daydreams. We're talking everything from Wonderland to My Little Pony to Pokemon Mystery Dungeon to Miraculous: Tales of Ladybug and Cat Noir to Care-Bears and much more, and even some original worlds, dimensions, and characters - *ALL IN ONE UNIVERSE* (and of course, the name Rainbowmon of the Care-Monic Spirits comes from those daydreams, as I'm part of them too).

Also: I should mention that my daydreams do in fact have numerous differences from the things they're based on, including Wonderland. Perhaps the one that's most relevant here: The Void Dimension was never destroyed, unlike in the games. I'll be here all day if I explain further than that...
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Re: What happened to the Thwarts?

Post by gottfriedjacob5 » Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:28 pm

Good news, i just beat "The Secret Cave", and "Dangerous Encounter". I can now say i am halfway through WSW.
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