New Level (Adv) - Gotham City

Amnon · Post by **Amnon** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 4:33 pm

The only way that I see how to do that is using the barrel and let it explode in the green gate.

That is NOT the way!

Marinus · Post by **Marinus** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 5:18 pm

Well it didn't make much sense to me anyhow, to sacrifice a barrel to get an extra woodbox. Then I perhaps better can use the barrel and one woodbox instead of the breaktiles, and let the other woodboxes be destroyed by a blue sphere, and that blue sphere itself as well, like I did first.

Then theoreticaly it must be perhaps possible to get the other blue sphere on the white button (instead of keeping the steelbox on the green button, as I did first) but then I have not enough of the 3-step-breaktile.

The problem is: If I push the blue sphere from inside boulder left, then push then boulder up to destroy the yellow and red spheres, and then push the blue sphere up, then sometimes the steelbox get destroyed. Approximately 25% or 50% of the times.

However, if I push the blue sphere directly below a black TP, then destroyed the red and yellow spheres, and then push the blue sphere up, then I never got the steelbox destroyed.

So perhaps that is not the way either?

Amnon · Post by **Amnon** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 5:28 pm

I have not enough of the 3-step-breaktile.

Are you sure there is a 3-step breaktile anywhere?

EDIT: Oops, you mean that step which you can go on 3 times? even 2 times would suffice!

Approximately 25% or 50% of the times

With practice you'll get it 100% of the time!

Marinus · Post by **Marinus** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 5:51 pm

even 2 times would suffice!

If you say so, then I guess it is true.

With practice you'll get it 100% of the time!

What are you talking about? If the blue sphere is
A. directly left of its original position (4 tiles below the left black TP), or
B. directly below a black TP?

In case you say: Both, then which one is the right one?

If it's A, then I need that breaktile already before pushing that sphere left, because, if Loof pushes the blue sphere left, then he is not able to stand above the steelbox, to push that sphere left later, to the two woodboxes.

EDIT: It it possible for Loof to do that, but then he has to push the steelbox off the green button, so he can't get it back on that green button, to push the barrel through the green gat later.

LEMARQUIS · Post by **LEMARQUIS** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:22 pm

Ok... hint: Here's a quick description of what goes where for that section (out of order)...

1) top blue sphere destroys the top metal box
2) top wooden box goes in water from the top breaktile
3) top right wooden box goes in water from the middle breaktile
4) top barrel goes into water from bottom breaktile
5) the 2 left wooden boxes are being destroyed
6) top blue sphere ends up on white button
7) 2nd blue sphere is being destroyed
8 ) metal box destroys the bottom barrel to free the yellow chomper
Note: the boulder only destroys the yellow sphere, not the red...

To get this done... that's a different story

Marinus · Post by **Marinus** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:38 pm

May I assume that "top box" is the one directly above the white button, and "top right box" is directly right of that white button?

In that case, how can I get those boxes without destroying the one on the white button first, or how can I destroy that box on the button, without using a barrel, or without destroying more then one of those three boxes?

LEMARQUIS · Post by **LEMARQUIS** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:47 pm

Marinus wrote:May I assume that "top box" is the one directly above the white button, and "top right box" is directly right of that white button??

Correct!

Marinus wrote:In that case, how can I get those boxes without destroying the one on the white button first, or how can I destroy that box on the button, without using a barrel, or without destroying more then one of those three boxes??

The bottom blue sphere only destroys the wooden box on the white button!!!

Marinus · Post by **Marinus** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:05 pm

Thanks, but the only way I can think to do that is

pushing that sphere up over the tramp, to be destroyed in the green gate. However, then there is the other box on the tramp which will avoid the sphere of being pushed over it. And Loof is not allowed to jump.

So, what to do about it?

Amnon · Post by **Amnon** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:31 pm

So, what to do about it?

Well, are you sure you want to be told? - because that's probably the smartest move in this level and you should probably prefer if you found it yourself!

Marinus · Post by **Marinus** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:09 am

Thanks.

Well, I'm not quite sure but perhaps I found that smartest move. I will think and try a while more.

LEMARQUIS · Post by **LEMARQUIS** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:14 pm

Ok.. I guess it's time for a walkthrough

Cookie
1. Step D on tramp, push blue sphere inside boulder U, boulder L
2. collect 2 top coins
3. collect coin on break tile above the box, step once more on it
4. step L on middle tramp to collect coin on break tile
5. push boulder R just before the yellow sphere travelling right lands on it (yellow & red sphere travel following each other, conveyor timer starts and stops)
6. step on break tile above the box then on the tramp, tramp D to meet Loof

Loof
7. push blue sphere inside barrel L

Cookie
8. push blue sphere D then step U

Loof
9. push barrel L

Cookie
10. push barrel D, then step L on bottom conveyor
11. push box D & stand on break tile

Loof
12. push blue sphere L to destroy box
13. step on bottom conveyor & stand above ice

Cookie
14. use shift key to see the metal box near the joker. push blue sphere U when it starts moving (don't rush!) & quickly step R. If you do this right you will not get killed by the closing white gate & the blue sphere
will destroy the metal box, otherwise it will go through the transporter & u have to restart)

Loof
15. push wooden box U in water, collect coin near the joker, then stand R of blue sphere

Cookie
16. step L on top conveyor to push box L

Loof
17. push box D on tramp (DO NOT Tramp D or u'll blow up the yellow chomper inside the barrel!!!), step UU

Cookie
18. step D on ice & tramp D, step D on break tile

Loof
19. step on white button

Cookie
20. pass through open white gate, push metal box D
21. push barrel L on top conveyor
22. push metal box on green button

Loof
23. step U

Cookie
24. step L on top conveyor, push barrel L
25. step on ice & tramp D, step UR

Loof
26. step on white button

cookie
27. push barrel D in water
28. push wooden box D in water
29. pass through open white gate, push metal box L on top conveyor

Loof
30. step U

Cookie
31. step L on top conveyor

Stinky
32. push barrel U to 1 tile bellow red TP
33. get red chomper to follow to bottom right corner, push barrel D in red TP
34. trap the red chomper top of the red TP
35. push green sphere U. it will land on the red TP & stop
36. push green sphere L
37. push barrel D in water then quickly step around red chomper to push green sphere DL. Make sure nothing steps on the yellow button!
38. get red chomper to follow u to top right corner. quickly step D in red TP, push green sphere D & come back U in red TP & step R. Chomper will block the top of the red TP & the returning green sphere will travel D & land on the pale blue button.
39. quickly reach the yellow timer. Keep stepping on it until the red chomper is close then collect coin in open pale blue gate. The red chomper will stand on the indigo button.
40. collect coin, push the metal box & the green sphere D into the water
41. get the red chomper to follow u and trap him as before on top of the top right water tile
42. go all the way around & step on the green button

Cookie
43. step D on ice & tramp D, step UR

Loof
44. push metal box D on ice then stand on white button

Cookie
45. push metal box DD

Stinky
46. collect coin by standing on pink button

Cookie
47. step on conveyor in the batrang & exit

Stinky
48. push metal box URR on conveyor to destroy the barrel and free the yellow chomper
49. get the red chomper to follow you, stand 3 tiles left of the red button, wait for red chomper, then quickly go right of coin on the red button. the red chomper should be left of that coin
50. step R

Loof
51. push blue sphere RD to cover white button
52. step UR on tramp & tramp D
53. get yellow chomper to follow u to the tile 2 tiles left of the conveyor then quickly collect coin.
54. get the yellow chomper to follow u to the bottom right tile then quickly step to 1 tile left of the pink button. Quickly shift to Stinky.

Stinky
55. step D (The 2 chomper will interlock and block each other)

Loof
56. Step U

Stinky
57. quickly Collect coin on red button & step R
58. step D. Quickly shift to Loof

Loof
59. Step D & R through left pink gate

Stinky
60. step R through right pink gate
61. step U. Quickly shift to Loof

Loof
62. step U
63. exit Stinky
64. exit Loof

Cheers,
LeMarquis

Marinus · Post by **Marinus** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:04 pm

Thanks for the walkthrough!

OK, I've come this far:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ReHJ ... 252027.png

an I guess that's the best I can do. I needed some hints from Marquis or Amnon, and also the steps 54 and 55 of the walkthrough.

But I'm afraid I will not be able to exit both people. It is too hard for me to do the entire level over and over again, after every little mistake .

BTW, after all I only needed one step of the 3-step breaktile we were talking about.

Amnon · Post by **Amnon** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:14 pm

OK, I've come this far:

You are almost there, but that remaining coin should have been cleared earlier, then you would have no problem exiting.

Muzozavr · Post by **Muzozavr** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:15 pm

From your screenshot: Stinky steps left to be right near the golden chomper, then QUICKLY up-left-right. That way you collect the coin so fast that the golden chomper follows and they are still locked together. Then both characters move down at the same time, then through the gates, then back up.

Amnon · Post by **Amnon** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:53 pm

Very interesting screenshot, I can see how you got there, and I can see Muzo's point, but there is another way to reverse the chompers without leaving that coin to the last moment.

Muzozavr · Post by **Muzozavr** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:50 pm

I always thought that the move itself isn't very time-critical, so it's easier to do it than to figure out a different way.

Amnon · Post by **Amnon** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:58 pm

so it's easier to do it than to figure out a different way

Of course, but for me this way around the coin IS the different way - and now I notice that it is also in the walkthru, but then I didn't look at the walkthru before. I suppose, maybe the coin should not have been there on the red button to begin with.

Marinus · Post by **Marinus** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:58 pm

Thanks.

Perhaps if I could go another time to the situation on the screenshot, that I would be able to exit, but each time I do a wrong move, or a wrong timing, I have to start all over again....

Marinus · Post by **Marinus** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:29 pm

Wow! Many restarts later.... but I made it!

Thanks for the fun! I hope your next level will be easier and smaller.