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New Adventure - The Stinker And The Jaw
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 2:17 pm
by Lucky-Luc
Showcasing a glitch or I don't know what to call it. Enjoy!

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 2:52 pm
by Jutomi
Yes! It is possible!
This was quite a very nice adventure, Lucky-Luc; I thank you for sharing.

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:45 pm
by MyNameIsKooky
Interesting application of this particular bug. Thanks for sharing.

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:12 pm
by Wonderman109
I don't think this is a bug somehow.

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:14 pm
by Lucky-Luc
Okay, I'm interessted now - what were your solutions? Maybe this has been around for a long time, but I still think my solution is based on unintuitive behaviour.

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:16 pm
by Wonderman109
I'm saying, the fact that 'smart' monsters and NPCs don't go diagonally across barrels, boxes, or water isn't definitely a glitch. It may just be that their path-finding is normally on straight lines and diagonal paths are only used when there is a path from the player or destination facing that one diagonal direction.
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:24 pm
by Lucky-Luc
Hm, I'd say it is. Pathfinding clearly
is able to consider diagonal movement (otherwise critters would rarely ever move diagonally, right?), however only if at least one of the adjecent tiles is walkable, too. In my humble opinion, that doesn't make too much sense, but oh well. At least I didn't miss some obvious unintended solution

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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:25 pm
by MyNameIsKooky
Monsters DO know how to navigate through fields of barrels and stuff, but if the path gets too complicated, they can't get through. Maybe it's not a bug, but perhaps more of a limitation.
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:29 pm
by Lucky-Luc
I don't think it has anything to do with the complexity of the path, it's really just about the diagonal-move thing. The path can be as long and winding as it gets; as long as you can theoretically traverse it only using orthogonal movement, the chomper will find its way.
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:54 pm
by Master Wonder Mage
Lucky-Luc wrote:I don't think it has anything to do with the complexity of the path, it's really just about the diagonal-move thing. The path can be as long and winding as it gets; as long as you can theoretically traverse it only using orthogonal movement, the chomper will find its way.
It can find it's way through some diagonal paths if they don't double back on themselves or anything.
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 9:35 pm
by Lucky-Luc
Yup, that's true; that's not "smart" pathfinding anymore, however, but simple "find the closest spot" pathfinding critters use when they don't see a way to reach you. As long as the pythagorean distance to you is smaller than where it currently stands, it works; otherwise it won't.
Re: New Adventure - The Stinker And The Jaw
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 6:31 pm
by Jutomi
Silly chompers, being bested by strategic barrel placements!
Very fun little display of their limitations, even after overcoming pathfinding obstacles since the retro days
Made a video solution to this one as well. Hope to
eventually try out some of your older stuff again
Video boop~