New Level -- Redefining Reflection III

Muzozavr · Post by **Muzozavr** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:14 pm

This started small and simple and ended up a beast.

Mind you, there are two puzzles in this whole level that do not involve reflection or setting up for a reflection... but they're really easy, almost the whole level is all about reflection... and unlike the other two "Redefining Reflection" levels, this one is a full-sized puzzle.

Try and see if you can redefine the art of reflecting... twice in this level.

EDIT: For the first 17 downloaders -- I apologize for the major oversight that made the second reflector puzzle mostly useless. Please download version "B" which has an extra 3-step bridge tile. The old version is purely for historical purposes.

It might be still possible to use the glitch move in a different spot -- but in that spot the timing would be so inhumane that anyone who actually manages to do so in version "B" deserves the win.

Muzozavr · Post by **Muzozavr** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 1:58 pm

Hello? Anyone here?

yot yot5 · Post by **yot yot5** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:33 pm

I'm here, and I'm stuck.
I will keep working on it! I did reflection 1&2, so I know I can do this one.

Amnon · Post by **Amnon** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:52 pm

Very nice level, thanks!

Amnon · Post by **Amnon** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:54 pm

Did you notice that there is a 2-way bridge which Stinky doesn't need to cross even once?

Muzozavr · Post by **Muzozavr** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:56 pm

Amnon wrote:Did you notice that there is a 2-way bridge which Stinky doesn't need to cross even once?

No, PM me what you did. My solution needs it.

Muzozavr · Post by **Muzozavr** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 10:48 am

OK, so Amnon's solution is using a small glitch move with a reflector that renders the second reflector puzzle totally useless.

Thankfully, version B should be easy to make. (The glitch, if you're curious, is to push a reflector right after the fireball hits it, and if you time it correctly, the pushed reflector will "catch" the shot again and reflect it once more.)

In the meantime, please try to solve it without this little glitch move.

EDIT: Version B is up. Amnon and everybody else who solved this and felt the second reflector puzzle was too easy -- please try the level again, you can't use the glitch move anymore, there is no space to do so. Version B has an additional 3-step bridge tile.

Amnon · Post by **Amnon** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:12 am

Yes, I made it in the revised version - I didn't think it was possible, but it is!!

Thanks, Muzo, and thanks for the encouragement to keep going.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 9:11 pm

I spent most of the day on this, but I finally got my gold star on the revised B version.
You've incorporated some innovative and strategic moves here.

Though I did have one break tile left over on the 3-step bridge.
This is one of your best thinkers!

No glitches in sight.

Muzozavr · Post by **Muzozavr** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 9:42 pm

I thought you have to cross over the last time to turn the final box around, but now I see how to do it your way. Indeed, the final step on the 3-step bridge is unnecessary. I wish I found that on my own during testing the original -- it would make such a nice little puzzle, but alas...

Congratulations for improving on the intended way!

Marinus · Post by **Marinus** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 9:57 pm

I have spent a while on this level, but I'm not coming to a solution. Question:

Is the left-shooting cannon a the bottom, supposed to destroy the three woodboxes at the left, using the 2 prisms, and 2 reflectors which are close to each other?

Amnon · Post by **Amnon** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:10 pm

The answer is YES, Marinus.

Muzozavr · Post by **Muzozavr** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:08 pm

Amnon wrote:The answer is YES, Marinus.

Quoted For Truth. It's the puzzle that the design process started with, BTW.

Think about the teleporters. They're there for a reason.

Marinus · Post by **Marinus** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:32 pm

Thanks. Also thanks to Mark, for the PM. It took me a little while more to figure out how to do it, and also to get the right timing.

The second reflector puzzle was also challenging, and needed several restarts to complete.

This was fun. Thanks!

yot yot5 · Post by **yot yot5** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:28 pm

Can I have a hint in getting the reflector to the yellow TP room?

Marinus · Post by **Marinus** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:02 pm

yot yot5 wrote:Can I have a hint in getting the reflector to the yellow TP room?

At a certain moment you have to choose: Get a coin, or use a breaktile. Make sure to make the right choice

yot yot5 · Post by **yot yot5** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:08 pm

I can get the reflector to the room, but I don't know how...

to get it to the south-east corner. Only there can it destroy the box below the keg.

Marinus · Post by **Marinus** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:24 pm

Hi, I think this is actually the main-trick of the second reflector puzzle, so

Warning: Do not read unless you're absolutely sure!

Both reflectors should be pushed through that TP, in one very fast movement:

Push the top-right reflector left into the TP, go over the conveyor and then push the top-left one right into that TP (to the south-east corner)

Muzozavr · Post by **Muzozavr** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:01 am

Yes, it is the main trick there. I couldn't come up with something quite as complicated as the first one, so I just made it really hard to get the objects in the right places. There's also a lot of... stuff, really, which makes it harder to find out what the right places even are.

yot yot5 · Post by **yot yot5** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:31 pm

I did it!!!
I was trying to use the two reflectors on the right hand side to get the fireball to the box. That seemed sooooo... weird.
But it was all a trick, and you just used simple reflectors and teleporters.